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		<title>By: Sample consulting estimate</title>
		<link>http://www.consultantjournal.com/blog/setting-consulting-fee-rates/comment-page-1#comment-18531</link>
		<dc:creator>Sample consulting estimate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] consulting estimates are hard to come by. New consultants often have little experience with setting consulting fee rates or they aren&#8217;t sure what to include in a project estimate. Setting your rate and accurately [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What are your biggest financial concerns?</title>
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		<dc:creator>What are your biggest financial concerns?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the years, we&#8217;ve covered a wide variety of financial topics:&#160;consulting fees, second jobs, finance and more. In fact, our &#34;Finance for Consultants FAQ&#34; is a popular [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the years, we&#8217;ve covered a wide variety of financial topics:&nbsp;consulting fees, second jobs, finance and more. In fact, our &quot;Finance for Consultants FAQ&quot; is a popular [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Become a business consultant</title>
		<link>http://www.consultantjournal.com/blog/setting-consulting-fee-rates/comment-page-1#comment-10063</link>
		<dc:creator>Become a business consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Become a business consultant and discover what it&#8217;s like to be your own manager and set your own rates. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Simon Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.consultantjournal.com/blog/setting-consulting-fee-rates/comment-page-1#comment-9911</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a systems developer and automation specialist with over 15 years of experience in all aspects of the IT industry. Until recently I have been setting a "per project" rate based on the estimated overhead and expenses I will encounter, plus an expected profit to cover living costs during the duraton of the contract. This method has not worked too well (especially with regard to unforseen expenses and client's unwillingness to accept liability when such expenses are directly related to their project), so now I'm switching to a "per hour" basis.

I think what needs to be considered is not only the overhead (which of course you MUST cover) as well as the expected value your work provides to the client(s), but also their ability to pay such costs in any given economy. For example, a small business will find it far more difficult to cover your fee than a multinational organization. Therefore I believe that no matter what field of dicipline your consultation role covers, it is ESSENTIAL to understand the entirety of the company's workings (their costs and profits) to set a rate appropriate to their means of paying. In my field of business, that's not so difficult given that 99% of my past clients have hired me to automate large portions of their business to save literally thousands of man-hours per year. With that in mind, my rate could be equal to as much as 75% of those man-hours, and it's still more reasonable for the client to pay than the entirety to "data entry clerks" manually performing the same task.

As I see it there is no "1 answer suits all" in the consultancy industry. Certainly with respect so some of the comments I have read, you should definatley NOT accept a lower rate than you could be earning as a 9 to 5 employee in a similar industry. That (in my view at least) falls into the category of exploitation.

Additionally (again with regard primarily to my experience in the IT industry) you MUST factor in for if you can complete a project faster than your competitors. In my line of work with automation systems, I can develop insanely complex software solutions in a miraculously short space of time (completing one such project in just 25 hours). To charge the same rate as a competitor who would take 6 or more MONTHS to achieve the same result leaves you out of pocket, and to an extent exploited by the "employer".

If you don't know what value you can provide to any given client compared to the average of your competitors, you need to figure that out BEFORE looking for consultancy work.

Never under-value yourself, but balance your value with the client's ability to afford you. Once you figure that out, you can truely call yourself a consultant.

For me, I'm based in the UK and have been offered a consultancy contract by a prospective client in the USA. I am well aware that US laws work differently to here in the UK, and thus I will be getting a specialist lawyer to peruse the contract before I sign it. I shall be charging the prospective client for this service whether or not the contract is signed. In my opinion this is a fair expectation. Should the client require me to perform an on-site evaluation of their business (or should that be a requirement) this will be accounted for within the contract, and the client covering any such related expenses.

The question I have is... do I require any sort of legal documentation to perform consultancy services for a client within the US? Technically I'm not employed by their company, and thus a "work permit" should not apply.

Google searching has left me a little perplexed as to the answer, as so many ambiguous conflicting results provide no solid answer.

Would I be best set by consulting the specialist lawyer with this question?

If I provide consultation services to a US client, am I expected to pay US taxes as well as my income tax to the British IRS?

I am also faced with having to research what consultants in "similar" fields charge in the US (since it's an unfamiliar enconomy to me) though since my field is incredibly niche (there are VERY few people in the world as versed in automation systems as myself) I do have something of a monopoly when setting a rate. Again, I shall remain ethical and base my rate on relevant enconomic factors vs the expected ROI the client expects from this project.

Sorry if this seems more like a rant than a useful comment, I just like to convey the suggestions I provide with a relevant background to show how I reached them.

I hope people find this useful and perhaps can provide a little insight into the questions I have asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a systems developer and automation specialist with over 15 years of experience in all aspects of the IT industry. Until recently I have been setting a &#8220;per project&#8221; rate based on the estimated overhead and expenses I will encounter, plus an expected profit to cover living costs during the duraton of the contract. This method has not worked too well (especially with regard to unforseen expenses and client&#8217;s unwillingness to accept liability when such expenses are directly related to their project), so now I&#8217;m switching to a &#8220;per hour&#8221; basis.</p>
<p>I think what needs to be considered is not only the overhead (which of course you MUST cover) as well as the expected value your work provides to the client(s), but also their ability to pay such costs in any given economy. For example, a small business will find it far more difficult to cover your fee than a multinational organization. Therefore I believe that no matter what field of dicipline your consultation role covers, it is ESSENTIAL to understand the entirety of the company&#8217;s workings (their costs and profits) to set a rate appropriate to their means of paying. In my field of business, that&#8217;s not so difficult given that 99% of my past clients have hired me to automate large portions of their business to save literally thousands of man-hours per year. With that in mind, my rate could be equal to as much as 75% of those man-hours, and it&#8217;s still more reasonable for the client to pay than the entirety to &#8220;data entry clerks&#8221; manually performing the same task.</p>
<p>As I see it there is no &#8220;1 answer suits all&#8221; in the consultancy industry. Certainly with respect so some of the comments I have read, you should definatley NOT accept a lower rate than you could be earning as a 9 to 5 employee in a similar industry. That (in my view at least) falls into the category of exploitation.</p>
<p>Additionally (again with regard primarily to my experience in the IT industry) you MUST factor in for if you can complete a project faster than your competitors. In my line of work with automation systems, I can develop insanely complex software solutions in a miraculously short space of time (completing one such project in just 25 hours). To charge the same rate as a competitor who would take 6 or more MONTHS to achieve the same result leaves you out of pocket, and to an extent exploited by the &#8220;employer&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know what value you can provide to any given client compared to the average of your competitors, you need to figure that out BEFORE looking for consultancy work.</p>
<p>Never under-value yourself, but balance your value with the client&#8217;s ability to afford you. Once you figure that out, you can truely call yourself a consultant.</p>
<p>For me, I&#8217;m based in the UK and have been offered a consultancy contract by a prospective client in the USA. I am well aware that US laws work differently to here in the UK, and thus I will be getting a specialist lawyer to peruse the contract before I sign it. I shall be charging the prospective client for this service whether or not the contract is signed. In my opinion this is a fair expectation. Should the client require me to perform an on-site evaluation of their business (or should that be a requirement) this will be accounted for within the contract, and the client covering any such related expenses.</p>
<p>The question I have is&#8230; do I require any sort of legal documentation to perform consultancy services for a client within the US? Technically I&#8217;m not employed by their company, and thus a &#8220;work permit&#8221; should not apply.</p>
<p>Google searching has left me a little perplexed as to the answer, as so many ambiguous conflicting results provide no solid answer.</p>
<p>Would I be best set by consulting the specialist lawyer with this question?</p>
<p>If I provide consultation services to a US client, am I expected to pay US taxes as well as my income tax to the British IRS?</p>
<p>I am also faced with having to research what consultants in &#8220;similar&#8221; fields charge in the US (since it&#8217;s an unfamiliar enconomy to me) though since my field is incredibly niche (there are VERY few people in the world as versed in automation systems as myself) I do have something of a monopoly when setting a rate. Again, I shall remain ethical and base my rate on relevant enconomic factors vs the expected ROI the client expects from this project.</p>
<p>Sorry if this seems more like a rant than a useful comment, I just like to convey the suggestions I provide with a relevant background to show how I reached them.</p>
<p>I hope people find this useful and perhaps can provide a little insight into the questions I have asked.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.consultantjournal.com/blog/setting-consulting-fee-rates/comment-page-1#comment-7542</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have other options? Are you desperate for income? It seems to me that, if they really need you, it would be silly for you to accept such a low offer. How do you benefit from this arrangement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have other options? Are you desperate for income? It seems to me that, if they really need you, it would be silly for you to accept such a low offer. How do you benefit from this arrangement?</p>
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		<title>By: Noreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My former employer, a healthcare organization, has contacted me to return as a consultant to assist in training the manager they hired to replace me.  This is a medical staff office where such things as credentialing, Bylaws, etc., originate.  They have offered me $30/hour which isn't even close to what my hourly salary plus benefits was when I left.  I left for health reasons but was in the position for 28+ years and they have hired a financial analyst to fill the position and she knows nothing of the functioning of a Medical Staff Office.

Any direction from anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My former employer, a healthcare organization, has contacted me to return as a consultant to assist in training the manager they hired to replace me.  This is a medical staff office where such things as credentialing, Bylaws, etc., originate.  They have offered me $30/hour which isn&#8217;t even close to what my hourly salary plus benefits was when I left.  I left for health reasons but was in the position for 28+ years and they have hired a financial analyst to fill the position and she knows nothing of the functioning of a Medical Staff Office.</p>
<p>Any direction from anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Young</title>
		<link>http://www.consultantjournal.com/blog/setting-consulting-fee-rates/comment-page-1#comment-5160</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I run Masterclasses for large organisations on how to buy consultancy so I can pass on what I tell them is a fair rate for individual consultants or interims - there is not a lot of difference.  Note that individuals are NOT paid at global consulting rates, for lots of reasons.  For an assignment of two to eight months the daily fee is 1% of an equivalent annual salary.  Incidentally, I'm in Europe where there are 225 working days in a year if you're trying to work it out.  For shorter assignments the rate has to be higher, so I am in the same park as the double/triple ratio in the article.  For longer assignments the ratio falls to 0.75% of the equivalent annual salary, because then you are really looking at annual contracts.  It does not go lower.

Very short assignments (half a day) should be very expensive but most consultants use them as opportunities to pitch for more substantial work so there is no guidance.  

Regarding discounts and lowball offers that some correspondents have encountered.  Do not set precedents: if you want the work, take it, keep your original rate but offer free days for a limited period.  That way, you keep your integrity whilst getting your knees under the table.

I am happy to discuss this or related topics with anyone either here or off-line.

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I run Masterclasses for large organisations on how to buy consultancy so I can pass on what I tell them is a fair rate for individual consultants or interims - there is not a lot of difference.  Note that individuals are NOT paid at global consulting rates, for lots of reasons.  For an assignment of two to eight months the daily fee is 1% of an equivalent annual salary.  Incidentally, I&#8217;m in Europe where there are 225 working days in a year if you&#8217;re trying to work it out.  For shorter assignments the rate has to be higher, so I am in the same park as the double/triple ratio in the article.  For longer assignments the ratio falls to 0.75% of the equivalent annual salary, because then you are really looking at annual contracts.  It does not go lower.</p>
<p>Very short assignments (half a day) should be very expensive but most consultants use them as opportunities to pitch for more substantial work so there is no guidance.  </p>
<p>Regarding discounts and lowball offers that some correspondents have encountered.  Do not set precedents: if you want the work, take it, keep your original rate but offer free days for a limited period.  That way, you keep your integrity whilst getting your knees under the table.</p>
<p>I am happy to discuss this or related topics with anyone either here or off-line.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Average consulting fee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Average consulting fee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] However, remember that the average consulting fee in your field does not necessarily have to dictate your rates. In fact, charging what everyone else charges is just one of the main methods for setting consulting fees. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] However, remember that the average consulting fee in your field does not necessarily have to dictate your rates. In fact, charging what everyone else charges is just one of the main methods for setting consulting fees. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Consulting fee survey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consulting fee survey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Consulting fee surveys are a valuable tool worth reviewing. Not only is it natural to want to know how you compare against others in your industry, but considering your competitors&#8217; rates is also an important part of setting your consulting fee rates. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Consulting fee surveys are a valuable tool worth reviewing. Not only is it natural to want to know how you compare against others in your industry, but considering your competitors&#8217; rates is also an important part of setting your consulting fee rates. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds pretty typical to me. The contract would set out the conditions. If you collected RFPs or quotes, you'd have a point of comparison, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds pretty typical to me. The contract would set out the conditions. If you collected RFPs or quotes, you&#8217;d have a point of comparison, of course.</p>
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